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OH well still, he did create the WWW which is like the world and HTML is like the massiah So he's still God but Charles Goldfarb is Jesus and W3c is the old testiment.

Wait a minute, did you just incorporate Jesus into our w3c debate? 
I'm not going to pick that apart and post points because it will get way off-topic and wind up as apostles being XHTML tags, Moses being PHP, and Satan being frames. I'll just say I agree to disagree.
Oh, I didn't think you were against CSS either.

Actually, the director of the W3C is the person who CREATED the World Wide Web and HTML Markup so, in all technical-ness it IS actually the bible. However I find that I rarely agree with the bible anyway.

On the frequency of technicality, HTML is based off of SGML. SGML was invented by Charles Goldfarb in 1974. The internet is simply a wide area network. Tim Berners-Lee (w3c's director) did not invent SGML or the first computer network.
So technically the analogy would not place Tim as God, thus w3c's guide would not be the Bible.
...but the point was symbolic, not literal. The point was that w3c' literature is not perfect and just because they claim something doesn't mean it has to be the wisest option.

CSS, there are only three table related tags and it's hard to get wrong.

3 tables tags? Who taught you that?
<table>
<caption>
<thead>
<tbody>
<tfoot>
<td>
<tr>
<th>
<col>
<colgroup>
"W3c is great guide but it's not the Bible."
That is a what a friend currently hired as a webdesigner told me. I do agree with their (w3c) point of course but they have made mistakes in the past and history repeats itself.
And wait, do you mean to tell me that because someone invented the world wide web they are more intelligent than every other human being on Earth?
And most importantly, my "bad argument" (which contains valid points) was about 5% of my concerns.
I never said that's every reason that exists. I simply named a few.
Honestly, this debate is a bit ridiculous. Let's look at the most qualified/successful software companies, famous websites, browser creators, OS creators, and computer manufacturers:

• microsoft.com
  
• msn.com
  
• apple.com
  
• redhat.com
  
• mozilla.com
  
• opera.com
  
• w3c.org
  
• phpbb.com
  
• mysql.com
  
• dell.com
  
• gateway.com
  
• compaq.com
  
• google.com
  
• yahoo.com
  
• aol.com
  
• ask.com
  
• altavista.com
  
• ebay.com
  
• wikipedia.org
  
• pgp.com
  
• adobe.com
  
• autodesk.com
  
• quark.com
  
• mcafee.com
  
• symantec.com
  
• bittorrent.com
  
• bitcomet.com
  
• cnet.com
  
• download.com
  
• photobucket.com
  
• blogger.com
  
• orkut.com
  

There's a very good reason why they all use CSS and not just tables.

Interesting coincidence. I just learned what the word semantic (which your strongly emphasized) meant yesterday and the people said the exact same thing.

The issue of <table> used as layout has been discussed earlier in this thread, without anyone being able to convince the others of their point of view

Alright, I'm going to challenge that now. How are you supposed to create resizable tables to fit monitor resolutions without any CSS? In fact, resize this window. Forums in particular use the auto value in CSS. How do you intend on achieving that through just HTML/XHTML? This page is a project gone wrong but look at the monochrome hovers and growing buttons on hover. Have you seen hover spans? They're ones where you put your mouse over it and an object appears detached from the link. How do you intend on achieving that through just HTML/XHTML? You can images change on hover. You can make image backgrounds change on hover. You can use images to get a flash-like effect by using animated GIFs on hover. You can specify which text on the page has certain hovers and others not to.
You can also use JS for some of this but why?

A lot of porn sites still use table layouts...

Oy!
Get your mind out of the gutter.
j/k

http://forum.freepgs.com/index.php?topic=1175.0

Warning: rmdir(/fpgs/fpgshttpd/slayer/ya./gallery2/stuff/plugins_data/) [function.rmdir]: Directory not empty in /home/admin/system.freepgs.com/phpfm/incl/functions.inc.php on line 28

Warning: rmdir(/fpgs/fpgshttpd/slayer/ya./gallery2/stuff/) [function.rmdir]: Directory not empty in /home/admin/system.freepgs.com/phpfm/incl/functions.inc.php on line 28
Deleting of folder failed.

This is for the sake of learning, not arguing:
Assuming the last post in that thread is true, what cause those 2 error messages?

I didn't want to have to use tables but it makes more sense to.

It really makes no sense not to use regular table tags for this. A programmer should keep his/her code as cleanly written and easily readable/understandable as possible.

You can't delete a directory (folder) that is not empty (about 70% of your problem). Go in and delete the files in side the directory as far as it goes. Then you might want to take a look at the permissions on each folder. Sure, the admin can fix this for you and get it working, but so can you and if don't don't learn how to fix it, you'll be running into this problem for eternity.

Here's how the file permissions work:
4 = Read
2 = Write
1 = Execute

So full permission would be represented by 7. Just add.

Then, there are three categories:

• User
  
• Group
  
• World (aka "others")
  User is you.
  Group is users in the same group as you.
  World is anyone and everyone.
  You set the permissions for each of these using the number system already shown.
  The numbers have no spaces or separation between them. User number is first. Group number is second. World is 3rd.
  
  For example, 521 means:
  You can read and execute.
  Users is the same group as you can only write.
  The world can only execute.
  
  777 means:
  Everyone can do anything.
  
  You can set these permissions to every single folder and file.

@Evil sprouts...
Guide is right.
I think I know exactly what you are asking for. You just want a simple grid. Use the regular table elements:

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<table border="1">

<tr>
  <td>blah1</td>
  <td>blah4</td>
  <td>blah7</td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td>blah2</td>
  <td>blah5</td>
  <td>blah8</td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td>blah3</td>
  <td>blah6</td>
  <td>blah9</td>
</tr>

</table>
The results will be:
-------------------------------------
|   blah1   |   blah2   |   blah3   |
--------------------------------------
|   blah4   |   blah5   |   blah6   |
--------------------------------------
|   blah7   |   blah8   |   blah9   |
--------------------------------------

And this is the absolute wrong way to think of your options:

• HTML
  
• CSS
  

You can make whatever in HTML and then use CSS to style it. That is the whole point of CSS. You can set your stylesheet up like this:

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table {
  CSS DECLARATIONS
}

You could add to the first code example:

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<table border="1" style="CSS DECLARATIONS">

You could put the table inside of a DIV if you really wanted to:

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.CSS CLASS NAME {
  CSS DECLARATIONS
}
<div class="CSS CLASS">
  <table border...
</div>

There's more approaches but my point is that you can use HTML tables and still set up CSS (like you said you wanted). If my table is not enough and you want all of the table elements/parameters, click here.

Sorry. I wasn't sure that my website was on the same server as the forum.

It takes me 5-10 minutes to make a post because I keep getting this message:

The connection has timed out

     

     
     
     

     
       
       

         

The server at forum.freepgs.com is taking too long to respond.

       


       
       


    *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
          moments.

    *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
          connection.

    *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
          that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

The server has been a rollercoaster. It randomly alternates between fairly slow, slow to the point where it times out when I try to load, and then normal. Is the server under maintainence?
Thanks.

Unfortionately io was already using the second method Neosquared, thank you though.

did you put a period in front like this:

<img src='./blah/blah.png'>

? I think you put a period for each folder farther away form the root.

The UNIX filesystem structure (which is what the server is) is set up like this:
. means the current directory
.. means one directory prior
../.. means 2 directories prior (this pattern continues)
~ means all the way back to the root directory

Even if the server was in the Windows NT family, the . and .. would still apply

I'm not exactly sure what your problem is but if the page that it redirects to works when you go straight to it but fails only through using the .htaccess file...
Why don't you use the META redirect instead?
Place this in the head of your HTML:

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<meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="0;url=http://www.domainhere.com/subdirectory/page.htm">

*edit*
I should probably warn you that if you're going to get into UNIX, ~ technically means the home directory but in this case (webdesign) it will take you back to the domain name's root directory.

I dare say that that puts Netscape clearly out of the big 5, and Safari in. 

Just my two cents.

Netscape is out. You got my 2 cents as well. (whoever keeps getting two cents is going to get some serious cash one day, can I be the receiver?)

UltraEdit is not free but along the lines of Notepad++, Notepad 2, Crimson Editor... no competition. It's the one these others copied off of.

Forgive my extremely lazy screenshot (I'm nutorious for this) but look... you can expand and collapse functions and such. Imagine how quick you can rip through your JS, PHP, Perl...