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CSS, there are only three table related tags and it's hard to get wrong.

3 tables tags? Who taught you that?
<table>
<caption>
<thead>
<tbody>
<tfoot>
<td>
<tr>
<th>
<col>
<colgroup>
"W3c is great guide but it's not the Bible."
That is a what a friend currently hired as a webdesigner told me. I do agree with their (w3c) point of course but they have made mistakes in the past and history repeats itself.
And wait, do you mean to tell me that because someone invented the world wide web they are more intelligent than every other human being on Earth?
And most importantly, my "bad argument" (which contains valid points) was about 5% of my concerns.
I never said that's every reason that exists. I simply named a few.
Honestly, this debate is a bit ridiculous. Let's look at the most qualified/successful software companies, famous websites, browser creators, OS creators, and computer manufacturers:

• microsoft.com
  
• msn.com
  
• apple.com
  
• redhat.com
  
• mozilla.com
  
• opera.com
  
• w3c.org
  
• phpbb.com
  
• mysql.com
  
• dell.com
  
• gateway.com
  
• compaq.com
  
• google.com
  
• yahoo.com
  
• aol.com
  
• ask.com
  
• altavista.com
  
• ebay.com
  
• wikipedia.org
  
• pgp.com
  
• adobe.com
  
• autodesk.com
  
• quark.com
  
• mcafee.com
  
• symantec.com
  
• bittorrent.com
  
• bitcomet.com
  
• cnet.com
  
• download.com
  
• photobucket.com
  
• blogger.com
  
• orkut.com
  

There's a very good reason why they all use CSS and not just tables.

1. Oh I didn't know there were that many.

2. "W3c is great guide but it's not the Bible."

Actually, the director of the W3C is the person who CREATED the World Wide Web and HTML Markup so, in all technical-ness it IS actually the bible. However I find that I rarely agree with the bible anyway.

Interesting coincidence. I just learned what the word semantic (which your strongly emphasized) meant yesterday and the people said the exact same thing.

The issue of <table> used as layout has been discussed earlier in this thread, without anyone being able to convince the others of their point of view

Alright, I'm going to challenge that now. How are you supposed to create resizable tables to fit monitor resolutions without any CSS? In fact, resize this window. Forums in particular use the auto value in CSS. How do you intend on achieving that through just HTML/XHTML? This page is a project gone wrong but look at the monochrome hovers and growing buttons on hover. Have you seen hover spans? They're ones where you put your mouse over it and an object appears detached from the link. How do you intend on achieving that through just HTML/XHTML? You can images change on hover. You can make image backgrounds change on hover. You can use images to get a flash-like effect by using animated GIFs on hover. You can specify which text on the page has certain hovers and others not to.
You can also use JS for some of this but why?

Well actually that's a bad argument. You can easily resize tables for any sized resolution by using a percentage value in the width or height attribute and the javascript for those things is partially integrated into HTML so it doesn't require a script tag. But you are right.

With CSS you gain this:

• Faster load time *on a layout with tons of images and lots of blocks*
• More compatable with unique and unusual browser types.
• Designs are more scaleable and ultimately give you more possibilities for appearance.
• Search Engines will better go through your site.
• Define a particular image rollover once and then call on it with a simple span or div.
• Cleaner and easier to tell the content from the coding.
• W3c Says you should, and since their director CREATED the World Wide Web, I think he knows what he's talking about.
• Using tables really isn't so much of a horrible crime if everything else in in order however I used to find my self adjusting TDs and widths for hours trying to get images to match etc. when it took only a few seconds to correctly define the attributes in CSS.
If you have an ntegrated table layout and, as is often stated, you want to change teh way your tables look, you have to change EVERY one of them.


"But screw you I still wanna use tables"

Okay fine. If you must use tables, DON'T Give them any atributes, give them a class and define their atributes with CSS. You can still do at lot of things to tables just by giving them a class and using CSS although it's really intended for data that would be in a table, like prices.  I still use tables in some occations, like in a price chart that I did. It would be stupid to use anything but tables for a chart that has a price list or a list of users and passwords etc. For that kind of data tables are more reliable where as you coudl screw up the whole table if you type something wrong making it with CSS, there are only three table related tags and it's hard to get wrong.

I saw the light, I converted and you should too!

(PS: You may notice that my main page still uses a table. This is because I'm lazy and the way I have it google catches it nicely so I dun wanna change it)

well y ou have a forum that works just fine: http://spam.freepgs.com/neonfro/

I don't see any files on your main directory but your board folder is there . . .

My aunt was trying to forward her mail from AOL to her Catchall Email here (She doesn't want AOL or anyone else knowing the exact email adress it goes to) And after recieving a few mails, AOL Locked her account and said that she was a spammer trying to solicit mail!

So somehow she resolved that issue but AOL Is wanting the "IP Address" for her website. I don't know what the heck they're talking about, her domain name or her hosting or her catchall email.... any clues? 

I wasn't sure if this was a contact form thing or not. Regardless, just proof that like Microsoft, MySpace and GoDaddy, AOL IS EVIL!

A lot of porn sites still use table layouts...

Oy!
Get your mind out of the gutter.
j/k

LMAO I'm not some type of porn addict. I actually go around looking at all types of porn sites to see which ones offer the best and least ad-filled services, gay straight midgets or mutants I've seen it and I've never been impressed.

Tables are still valid tags if you're using them for tabular data... That is their purpose. Using them for layout is an improper use, but using them for ordinary tabular data is proper usage. I don't see the problem. I think everybody just has decided to hate the table tag, whether it is a valid hatred or not.

The only nice thing about tables in layouts is that if you can make it loook like you want it isnt incredibly hard. With CSS you have to define a bunch of stuff, it seems a bit complicated.

A lot of porn sites still use table layouts because of the simplicity, they can pop out site after site really quick and they'll work in almost any browser than can view gifs.

If i want my domain point to a directory in my account , is it possible ?
For example a domain abc.com point to http://freepgs.com/myaccount/dir1/

well you could have your domain host simply make teh name redirect to that page but I don't think you could do it the normal way.


You could have this though:

Somone types in abc.com an d they're automatically redirected to http://freepgs.com/myaccount/dir1/ .

Hey with java we coudl do real time things like Battle engines for games right? Because that would rock.

Yeah thanks both of you ill use tables instead of pure css, I didn't want to have to use tables but it makes more sense to.

earlier you said you wanted to make a CSS table.. well that's just silly. Why make a CSS table when you can use a normal Table? Always use teh appropraite tools my perspective teacher says. You can use a trangle for a straight edge but sometimes it just doesn't measure up.

Cool my page rank is 3! Considering I'm just developing my site and it currently does absolutely nothing, that's cool! But.. what is a page rank for?


Also, what i sthe problem you're haviing I don't understand anymore.

What are the permissions on lib/options.inc.php? They should be at least 775 I think...

Well by default all teh folders were set to 755 and so I set them all to 777, can you chmod a single file? The folder that  lib/options.inc.php is in is set to 777 do I have to chmod the single file? ? ?

[Warning: fopen(lib/options.inc.php) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /fpgs/fpgshttpd/sixthcrusifix/memorium/forum/acp/lib/class_options.php on line 12]

I'm trying to install Wbblite and it worked last year but now all the sudden I get this:

Warning: fopen(lib/options.inc.php) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /fpgs/fpgshttpd/sixthcrusifix/memorium/forum/acp/lib/class_options.php on line 12

Warning: fwrite(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /fpgs/fpgshttpd/sixthcrusifix/memorium/forum/acp/lib/class_options.php on line 13

I have no idea how to edit the appropriate files by hand and I NEED to install this sucker...

Also I owuld like to note that ALL permissions for ALL folders in this ENTIRE portion of my site are set to 777.

Well I dunno exactly what's wrong but let me sescribe how I connect with dreamweaver and if you connect differently then try it my way.

Go to the site manager and get to teh ftp options.

Use ftp.freepgs.com with your username and password.

Make sure you go to the advanced tab and select "passive FTP". 

Click the little arrow to connect to your website.

Now I mean you probably already have all that already but It doesn't hurt to make sure.



I've had some similar problems, are you making sure you're looking at the "Remote" view and not the local view.

(Although in essence you should Actually design your website on your computer and upload from there, and therefore use the local view mostly). I can't think of anything else at the moment but I'll look it up and see if I can find anything. 

Keep in mind that freepgs can only get you a catchall, they don't offer their own Email service.